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Thursday, January 29, 2009

part 4 the finale' end times thoughts

So you don’t believe in pre-trib, what do you think the Bible teaches??
On the same day Noah went into the ark and was saved many perished.
On the same day Lot left Sodom and Gomorrah the fire fell and consumed.
On the same day the church is raptured the judgment of God will fall.
2nd Thes. 1:7,8 This section refers to one day when God’s judgment falls, judgment that means trouble for the unbelievers and relief from trouble for the believers who have persevered.
The church will be in the earth and aware of the signs of His coming.
The SAINTS will KNOW when the time is near. Jesus is NOT coming until we see the Antichrist sitting in the Temple of God (in Jerusalem) claiming to BE God! (1 Th 5:4 KJV) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. (read 4:15 - 5:4)
Please note, that Jesus can NOT come at any moment as pre-tribers teach. Paul warned the Thessalonian church, that they will NOT be raptured until these two events take place:
1. Many Christians have fallen away from the faith
2. The man of sin is revealed, sitting in the temple of God, showing himself to be God!
(2 Thes. 2:1-3)
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him (rapture), Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

A remnant of unbelievers (I personally believe these are children) survive to parent future nations whom Satan will deceive in the future at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ on the earth. (Zech. 14:16-19, Rev. 20:6-9)
Zech. 14:12, 16-19
And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. [17] And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. [18] And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. [19] This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
This remnant of people who survive the coming of Christ, are the nations over whom the FIRST resurrection saints will reign.
All of the following scholars are in agreement that Rev. 14:14-16 and Matthew 24:31 is the rapture of the church!
Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible 1798-1870
Dr. John Gill's Exposition of the entire Bible 1690-1771
Jamieson, Faussett and Brown Commentary
The People's New Testament (1891) by B. W. Johnson
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on the Whole Bible
John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible
Rev. 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
If you read Rev. 6:9-11 and 20:4, you will note that these are the saints that were killed during the great tribulation .
What about the doctrine of imminence, the “Jesus could return at any moment” theory?
Daniel prophesied that the anti-Christ would make a covenant with Israel and then break it. Israel did not exist to make a covenant with until 1948, so there is no doctrine of imminence. Prophecy’s must be fulfilled.
God help us can't we see that the whole tenor of the New Testament, the Theme, the major issue is Love, love that is willing for its very life to be 'given up' in order to see others come to know the God who is love, so shouldn't the church be willing, expecting, preparing, to be the same type of suffering servant that the Lord of the church demonstrated by His Life on this earth...A pure, spotless bride. Show me any other thing that will change the current church into a pure spotless bride??? beeeepppp time's up, the only answer is tribulation,
Daniel 11:31 describes the anti-christ desecrating the sanctuary see also matt 24:15 and then comes this verseDaniel 11:32 "By smooth words he will turn to godlessness those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their God will display strength and take action. 11:33 Those who have insight among the people will give understanding to the many : yet they will fall by sword and by flame , by captivity and by plunder for many days." This is the church alive and well, being a strong witness to the power of God, and yet being willing to "lay down their lives", in the second half of the tribulation... and really seriously, where else would you want the church to be, when the world will be in such a time of upheaval and terror. The church was created to be a witness "for such a time as this", not to be raptured out and placed on the sidelines, leaving the "work" to a bunch of 3 year old believers, who came to the Lord after the rapture.This started out at 14 pages, I have trimmed it as much as I can, sorry for the length, thanks for reading it.
Excellent resource, “Rapture? Sure…but when?” William E. Anderson

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